I think the honest answer is that it will take a few to get there. Every member of the industry has certain capital decisions to make: either to invest in transformation or to invest elsewhere. It's that simple. Transformation is costly. It's risky. In terms of help from the government, it helps us and them to de-risk the technology, to show its feasibility, and quite frankly to catch up with what the competition is doing in Brazil and in Finland.
That's where we are today. It's sad to say, but we're in a catch-up mode in the technology to transfer forest biomass to bioproduct. Why and how? It is what it is. Help is needed to get over the hump, to get to the stage where you've gone from the lab to the real plant, which is a pilot plant.
I think pilot plants are a fantastic tool that the government has. It's not at full scale. It's not $300 million but $20 million or $30 million. A real plant would be $300 million, even half a billion. If you want a real biofuel plant that's large-scale, welcome to the billion-dollar world. We need those $20-million or $30-million ones just to prove the concept. Then the risk reduction and capital investment make sense. You don't manage a 30% risk; you manage a 10% risk. That helps you get there.