I actually spoke to a gentleman named Charles Vincent. I can even tell you how I found Mr. Vincent. Essentially, I knew one single politician who I thought might be able to get me to Ottawa. I called the Mayor of Stratford, Dan Mathieson, whom I personally know. I asked him if he knew anybody. He said he would call Ottawa and see if he could get someone to talk to me. I said I'd be at my desk until 11 o'clock at night for the next three nights. Mr. Charles Vincent called me back at 11:30 at night and we talked until 1:30 in the morning. I explained to him what I was trying to do.
The problem for me was that I felt if we could raise a lot of money from the public.... I called specifically to ask the government the ethics question—we're at an ethics committee—of how it would look if private donors in Toronto who were willing to give me millions of dollars wanted those ventilators to go to Toronto hospitals. The problem was that we were Ventilators for Canadians. We wanted to ask a senior civil servant how we might do that. When he found out what we were doing—