Yes, I think there are two pieces here. First, where is the money going? Is it actually leading to outcomes that are leading to wealth and prosperity?
Listening around the room, it really sounds like we have a revenue challenge in this country. We can't pay for housing. We can't pay for arts and culture. By creating opportunities where we're able to drive and support domestic firms in programs like SR and ED, and making sure that those dollars are being allocated to the right outcomes, that's one step—definitely looking at it from that framework. The other is also the cost. SR and ED hasn't really been updated in more than 40 years. We have a program for which companies basically have to contort themselves in order to access the funding. It requires a gambit of different types of consultants and agents, so an entire SR and ED cottage industry has built up in many practices.
Programs do need overhead and you need to cost things, but when it's close to 25% to 30% going to consultancies rather than driving outcomes, then we have a real challenge here, a real issue.