I didn't know who was going to be there. I think I said to... I don't remember who I was talking to, at that point. I don't know whether it was Ms. Houde or Mr. Quinlan. But a woman called me. I think I mentioned that the main people working with the association, apart from the members of it, were Mr. Sauvé and Mr. Padulo. However, the list of people there wasn't known to the Minister before he arrived.
