Evidence of meeting #81 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Ritika Dutt  Chief Executive Officer, Botler
Amir Morv  Chief Technology and Security Officer, Botler

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

It was both before and after.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

You had correspondence with CBSA prior. You had discussions with CBSA directly prior to the misconduct, and you had agreements with them.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

We had no agreements with them. We were working with them in pure faith, which they are aware of, and their liaisons were working directly with Botler.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

They weren't working through GC Strategies.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

5:15 p.m.

Chief Technology and Security Officer, Botler

Amir Morv

I was the individual who worked with the CBSA. I was working with the CBSA all this time. The work began as early as November 2020.

I started working with the CBSA. There's no contract. There's nothing. We stared working, and, as of February 2021, before we submitted the misconduct, we started talking about how the pilot should be implemented. They shared some non-public data with us about their harassment. We really were working very well with the CBSA without a contract, but GC Strategies was not involved at any stage.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

That makes sense...right? You were doing work on behalf of GC Strategies, who contracted you out to do this work.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Technology and Security Officer, Botler

Amir Morv

Not on behalf of—

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

You have to work alongside the client, and the client in this case was CBSA. You had to continue this work to make that happen. That makes sense.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

That isn't correct.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Did they dispute your work?

5:15 p.m.

Chief Technology and Security Officer, Botler

Amir Morv

Nobody ever disputed the work.

We were not working on behalf of GC Strategies, just to be clear.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

That's who the contract was with.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

There was no contract with GC Strategies.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

The CBSA didn't have a contract with you. They had a contract with GC Strategies.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

They did not have the contract with GC Strategies either in this matter.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Who did they have a contract with?

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

It was Dalian and Coradix.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

That was the payment process.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

Yes, and our identities were stolen in the execution of the TA with Dalian and Coradix.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Did you finish the work?

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

We did finish the work that was our portion, yes, and we submitted that work to them.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

And they didn't use it.

5:15 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Botler

Ritika Dutt

They didn't implement the actual solution, which was the actual work that they were supposed to implement.

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

When you had these meetings, were Dalian or GC Strategies involved in these meetings too?