Evidence of meeting #8 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Henderson  President, BioTalent Canada
Walker  Chief Executive Officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable
Dias  Global Macro Strategist, As an Individual
Krieger  Senior Manager, Career Services, Build a Dream to Empower Women
Abbasi  Chair of the Board of Directors, Canadian Alliance of Student Associations
Joomun  Executive Director, Canadian Alliance of Student Associations

The Chair (Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.)) Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Good afternoon, members. We will begin the meeting.

Pursuant to the motion adopted on Thursday, September 18, the HUMA committee is meeting on youth employment in Canada. Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders of the House of Commons. Members are attending in person in the room as well as on Zoom.

I want to remind all members to please turn their devices to silent mode and refrain from tapping the boom of the mic for the protection of the translators. You have the option to participate in this meeting in the official language of your choice. For those in the room, make sure you familiarize yourself with the interpretation and the headset so that you're on the right channel to participate. For those appearing virtually, choose the globe icon at the bottom of your screen. Choose the official language of your choice. If there's an interruption in translation services, please get my attention and we'll suspend while it's being corrected. If you're in the room, raise your hand. If you're here virtually, use the “raise hand” icon. Please direct all questions and comments through the chair. Wait until I recognize you before you begin.

I would like to advise you that one of the witnesses failed the technology test today, which means we'll have only two in the first panel. Madam Gessesse did not pass the sound quality test for the interpretation. All others have been approved.

I would like to welcome our witnesses for this afternoon's first panel. Appearing virtually is Mr. Robert Henderson, president, BioTalent Canada. In the room with us is Dr. Valerie Walker, chief executive officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable.

As I indicated, the third witness did not pass the sound test. She will be scheduled for a later meeting.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Mr. Chair, can I ask what threshold she didn't meet for the sound test?

The Clerk of the Committee Alexandre Longpré

She didn't have her headset.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Was one sent?

The Clerk

It was.

She is being rescheduled.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Perfect. Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

We will begin the five-minute presentations with Mr. Henderson.

Mr. Henderson, you have the floor.

Robert Henderson President, BioTalent Canada

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear before you this afternoon.

My name is Rob Henderson, and I serve as president and CEO of BioTalent Canada, a national non-profit organization that works to strengthen Canada's bio-science sector by providing valuable, evidence-based labour market information and the best job-ready human resources available.

We are one of 14 or 15 national sectoral associations across Canada.

Our role is to connect employers with skilled people, and just as importantly, to connect students and new graduates with their first meaningful work experiences. Much of that work happens through the student work placement program, SWPP, which BioTalent Canada has proudly helped deliver since 2017, as one of the inaugural service providers.

Let me start with the challenge this committee is studying: youth employment. We know that while the overall labour market remains tight, our young people are being hit the hardest. Over the past year, youth unemployment has risen faster than any other demographic. At the same time, employers are reporting record difficulty filling entry-level roles, particularly in technical and science-based fields.

That disconnect is widening. Students are graduating without the work experiences employers expect, while employers hesitate to hire workers who lack that experience—a cycle that leaves both sides frustrated.

The situation is even more acute for under-represented youth. Without targeted support, these groups risk being permanently excluded from high-growth industries that urgently need their skills.

In short, the problem of youth unemployment is getting worse, and if we don't address it we risk losing the next generation of innovators, entrepreneurs and skilled workers that Canada needs to compete.

The student work placement program is an important part of that solution. SWPP helps employers create paid, career-relevant placements for students before they graduate, giving young people experience, income and confidence, while giving businesses access to the talent they need to innovate and grow.

The government's investment in SWPP and in the broader network of sectoral-academic partnerships that deliver it has also fostered innovation and proven itself as a conduit for national and industrial economic recovery. During COVID-19, these partnerships helped sustain key industries and connect employers with urgently needed talent. That same infrastructure can serve as the delivery mechanism for future talent pipelines and targeted economic investments aligned with national priorities.

Since 2017, BioTalent Canada alone as an association has facilitated over 16,000 student placements across every province and territory. To understand the impact, there are only 200,000 people employed in Canada's bio-economy, so student placements represent 8% of the entire employment capacity of Canada's bio-tech industry. Nationally, there are 17 delivery partners doing similar work in other sectors—from digital technology to manufacturing to finance.

The majority of employers participating, about 70%, are small and medium-sized enterprises. These are the drivers, as we all know, with huge growth opportunities of employment now and in the future. Those placements simply would not exist without SWPP.

The results of SWPP are measurable and consistent. SWPP and the innovative work-integrated learning program have been incredibly effective at delivering student placements, because they're deeply connected to Canada's small and medium-sized businesses. These programs have allowed for the creation of long-standing relationships with tens of thousands of employers, which is why satisfaction is so high. In fact, 98% of employers report being satisfied with the SWPP program. One-third of employers say the position would not even exist without the program, and another 6% expanded their hiring because of it.

Beyond the numbers, the program delivers what governments often seek but rarely achieve— immediate, scalable impact.

The benefits ripple well beyond individual placements. By linking post-secondary institutions with industry, SWPP helps align education with labour market needs directly. It exposes employers to the next generation of talent and gives students a pathway to permanent work. Many go on to be hired full-time after their placements end.

In communities across the country it builds local capacity, keeps young Canadians in their regions and strengthens our innovation ecosystem.

The risk of letting the SWPP program lapse is significant. The infrastructure that makes it effective, like employer networks, post-secondary partnerships and digital systems, cannot be turned on and off without serious cost. If support is interrupted, students lose opportunities, employers lose confidence and the country loses momentum in closing the youth employment gap.

Mr. Chair and members, the government has committed to double down on what works in youth employment and skills development. SWPP has proven in almost every network that it works. It's cost-effective, measurable and directly tied to job creation. It ensures that young Canadians are ready for the workforce and that the workforce is ready for them.

Making the student work placement program a permanent and predictably funded part of, and the foundation of, Canada's youth employment strategy would not only help thousands more young people launch their careers, but it would strengthen Canada's resilience, productivity and competitiveness for the long term.

I thank you for your attention to this matter. I would be pleased to answer any questions you may have.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Henderson.

Dr. Walker, go ahead for five minutes, please.

Valerie Walker Chief Executive Officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak here today.

I'm Val Walker, and I'm the CEO at the Business and Higher Education Roundtable, BHER.

We're the only organization in Canada that brings together leaders from the country's top companies and post-secondary institutions to work on critical issues together to create a better social and economic future.

As Canada's leading cross-sectoral convenor and driver of change, we collaborate with our members to tackle some of the country's biggest skills, talent, innovation and productivity challenges.

Since 2019, we've played a critical role in helping post-secondary institutions and businesses create work experiences for students before they finish school. With federal support starting in 2019, we at BHER and our funded partners have created more than 70,000 work-integrated learning opportunities for students. We've created more than 100 partnerships and built an employer network of nearly 12,000 companies across the country, so we know what works on the ground.

Today, we're here to talk about the challenges young people are facing when it comes to accessing employment. Behind the current crisis-level numbers are young people doing a lot of things right. They're earning credentials, they're gaining skills and they're working hard to find work, but they're still struggling for that first and lasting foothold in the labour market.

At the same time, we know for certain that employers need talent, especially in big fields like AI, health care, the skilled trades and the energy sector, to name only a few. At BHER, we know that connecting young people to employers early and getting them experience and exposure—not just to work, but to how work works—is the most effective way to create career pathways for young people and to build the skilled talent pipelines that enable Canada's businesses to be productive, be innovative and grow.

I'll focus here on three practical actions to turn around our current challenge with youth unemployment and widen the on-ramps to work for every young person in Canada.

The first is to help youth name and prove their skills. Give young people simple tools to identify and describe what they can do. For example, at post-secondary institutions, every course or program should include plain language skills statements so learners can point to the exact skills they have, rather than vague course titles. Well-designed microcredentials do this already. Our friends and collaborators at eCampusOntario are leading the charge on this in Ontario and on behalf of the federal government by connecting users of Canada's job bank to microcredentials at accredited public post-secondary institutions.

On the employer side of things, they should focus job postings on skills—not just credentials or job titles—that help young people see themselves in the job and show their value faster and help employers spot talent sooner.

The second is to guide youth to where there's the biggest demand for jobs. Targeted workforce development means clear, guided pathways to real jobs. Young people need to see a six- or 12-month opportunity map by region and sector, including openings, wages and skills. We can then distribute those maps through schools, post-secondary institutions and job platforms so youth can see where work is growing and where opportunities are.

On the post-secondary side, they can convert those signals into two- to three-step routes from a microcredential to a short work placement to an entry-level job. Employers should be co-creating these programs and paid experiences with post-secondaries tied specifically to vacancies, demand and growth. They should also be investing in supervisor training and flexible schedules and sharing quarterly demand data, ideally through organizations like ours.

The third, and most important, is to make work-integrated learning the default on-ramp to jobs. Work-integrated learning, WIL, is more than just co-ops and internships; it's short projects, microconsulting, hackathons and case competitions, but it can also be improved employee onboarding or on-the-job upskilling. This is critical. Through WIL, young people learn how work works, employers get early access to talent and, in our programs, two-thirds of employers report productivity gains as a result of their student.

The challenge is, like my fellow witness has said, there's not enough access to WIL yet, so how do we solve this? We need more flexible programming within our post-secondary institutions. This means more short-cycle work experiences and, where possible, flipping the balance between in-class and on-the-job training. Apprenticeship-style learning can't just be for the skilled trades anymore.

Maybe most importantly, to reach the goal of getting every student work experience before they graduate so they can be secure in that first job, Canada needs the largest employers at the table. It needs the kinds of companies BHER works with. The challenge here is that these companies come for scale and simplicity and they don't come for wage subsidies.

In closing, what we're looking at is partnership and capacity building between post-secondaries and industry. The bottom line is that when businesses and post-secondaries partner, we create more opportunities for young people and our productivity rises. That's what we were built to do. That's what we're here to help you do.

I would be very happy to answer any questions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Dr. Walker.

We'll now begin the first six-minute round with Mr. Genuis.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you to both the witnesses. I'll probably bob back and forth between the two of you.

To start with, would both of you agree that we are currently in a youth jobs crisis? Is that an accurate way of describing the challenge in front of us?

3:45 p.m.

President, BioTalent Canada

Robert Henderson

I can start the response, if you'd like. Certainly, all numbers point toward that. It's—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Okay, thank you.

Go ahead, Dr. Walker.

3:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable

Valerie Walker

Yes, it's a big challenge for sure.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Okay, thank you.

Dr. Walker, I was intrigued by your comments about guiding youth to where the jobs are. I've talked to a lot of employers in my time in this role as our shadow minister for employment, and some of them complain a bit about guidance counsellors. Their perception is that students are maybe steered in some directions that aren't reflective of the skills required by the labour market.

I'm sure everybody in that profession is doing the best they can, but how do you see us being able to push more information about the immediate needs of the labour market basically to people as young as possible so they have that information and are ready to use it?

October 9th, 2025 / 3:45 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable

Valerie Walker

It's a great question. I'll be clear: I wasn't speaking about guidance counsellors. I was looking specifically at ways to target real-time labour market information to the students or youth who are looking for where industry is growing the most. I would argue it is actually through organizations like Rob's and others, which are the ones directly connecting with employers to get that real-time data, and not necessarily looking to StatsCan or other groups, which are looking backward and collecting labour market statistics that, by the time they're published, are already out of date.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you.

I am going to ask this question to our other witness who isn't able to be here, but I'll ask you as well. It's regarding labour information getting to young people.

I met with a group of young people this morning who were talking about how sometimes in immigrant communities the expectation that parents have is that university is the best path. I wonder if you think there are ways we can get more information, even as part of settlement services welcoming people to Canada, to see that we do have colleges and there are trades opportunities. There's a broad range of different opportunities people could consider that would provide them with good opportunities as well.

3:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Business and Higher Education Roundtable

Valerie Walker

I agree with that. One example I can give you is from one of our member organizations, Passage. It has data looking at who comes here from other countries to study. It's not the international student issue; the primary group is those who are pretty well off in their home country in order to meet the minimum requirements these days.

Those folks who come here, whose families have rallied around them to send them to Canada for school, are less likely in coming in to be interested in those careers, often because in their home country the money one can make in a career like that is significantly limited. Broadening the types of people who can come to Canada and providing the microloans or what they need to get a foothold would be one way to increase the number of people interested in the skilled trades.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Okay.

Mr. Henderson, the program you're talking about, SWPP, is a wage subsidy program, correct?

3:50 p.m.

President, BioTalent Canada

Robert Henderson

Wage subsidies are only a part of this. There are employer supports given through the student work placement program. Many of the delivery agents like my own offer training as well. As well, because many of these organizations are SMEs and don't have dedicated HR support, we also give them support in instituting mentorship programs, things like DEI policies, etc., so it's only one—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I appreciate that. I'm going to try to get a couple of quick questions in before the time runs out.

For the wage subsidy component, what percentage of the wage is subsidized and for how long a period?

3:50 p.m.

President, BioTalent Canada

Robert Henderson

It's no more than 50%.

It depends on whether the student is a first-year student or in an equity-deserving group. It can go up to $5,000 to $7,000 for a 16-week period.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Perfect. If you want to follow up with more detailed information because I'm not giving you enough time, you can always provide that in writing. We have to stick within the parameters.

One question I've heard about with regard to wage subsidy programs is the continuation piece. The goal is to give young people an opportunity to start in a job where they'll be able to continue in that field and use that experience, but there are instances where the company and the individual benefit from the wage subsidy but then they stop working there once the wage subsidy ends.

Do you have data on what proportion of people are able to continue after the program ends? What advice would you give the committee on the structure of wage subsidy programs leading to permanence as opposed to the job ending when the subsidy ends?

3:50 p.m.

President, BioTalent Canada

Robert Henderson

Biotech companies are looking for that swan...between three to five years. They can't find them. There are just not enough of them, so they have to create them. The student work placement program right now has a 98% satisfaction rate. One-third of employers said they wouldn't even have been able to create the job without the employer supports, including the wage subsidy as part of that. That's a very key component.

Since 70% of them have no human resources expertise, the wage subsidy alleviates the biggest pain they have, which is onboarding and training a brand new, green employee within the industry. This would simply not happen, let alone the connections my fellow witness was also talking about. The connections among academia are the source of the talent. That has been incredibly important. From our employers, more than 50% of the positions have continued after the subsidy ends.