Evidence of meeting #5 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-3.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Lena Metlege Diab  Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship
Scott  Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Citizens, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Schneidereit  Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Hoang  Director General, Citizenship Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Bonner  Senior Fellow, Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy, As an Individual
Chapman  M.S.C., Lost Canadians
Jacques  Interim Parliamentary Budget Officer, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
Perrault  Director, Economic Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Again—

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Hold on. I'll stop the clock, Minister.

Ms. Rempel Garner, please allow the witness to finish.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Chair, on a point of order, I do not have to let the Liberals word-salad my answer when I'm asking about the value of Canadian citizenship.

I'm sorry, you can't do that.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Here is the problem, Ms. Rempel Garner: There is crosstalk, and it is very hard for the interpreters to interpret. It's very difficult for them to do their jobs.

Kindly allow.... We'll have one person at a time.

Minister—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

No, it's me. I get to ask the question again, since you interrupted me again.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

I will then allow the witness to answer the question.

Thank you.

Michael Ma Conservative Markham—Unionville, ON

On a point of order, if the witnesses answered direct questions, then we wouldn't get into these kinds of situations. If we allow the witnesses to continue off—

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

This is debate, Mr. Ma, not a point of order.

Ms. Rempel Garner, please go ahead.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

Chair, since we're not going to get an answer...obviously, the Liberals have written a chain migration bill that's going to allow for rampant fraud. The minister doesn't include a requirement for taking a citizenship test in this chain migration bill. She said that this bill is the right thing to do.

Is it right to grant Canadian citizenship to somebody without having them take a citizenship test?

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Madam Chair, as I was saying, officers will assess the totality of the information that's presented when an application is in front of them and determine whether or not they're satisfied and whether or not the individual should be given—

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

But there's no citizenship test. Are you saying it's the right thing to do to give Canadian citizenship to somebody who can't speak one of Canada's official languages and who doesn't have to take a citizenship test—and with no security screening? Is that what you are telling this committee we are supposed to vote for with this chain migration bill?

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Madam Chair, this bill was drafted to have reasonable limits that would surpass the constitutional rights of people. It strikes a balance by protecting the value of Canadian citizenship. It's fairness to Canadian families—

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Wouldn't you argue that not—

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Ms. Rempel Garner, please allow the witness to answer the question.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

She is word-salading.

The Chair Liberal Julie Dzerowicz

Please let her finish answering the question.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Listen. Listen. Okay.

Minister, yes or no, do you think it's right to give Canadian citizenship to somebody without that person having to take a citizenship test?

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

This bill is here to protect Canadian values, and I believe we've struck a balance. If you have any amendments, the committee is happy to look at those.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

You'd support an amendment to make somebody take a citizenship test, then.

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

I said that if there are amendments, that's why the committee is here.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

No, I'm asking you now. Is that a yes?

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

What I'm saying is that this bill protects—

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

That's a no.

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

—the value of citizenship, and it is something that is very important to all Canadians.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Is it a “yes but no”?