Thank you, Mr. Wilson. But it's important to note that there are no changes to the running rules.
You referred to continued litigation, and Minister Emerson referred to it as well. In fact, Prime Minister Harper has said there'll be seven years' litigation; we'll just continue, on and on. We know there are two cases, one of which we won again under Tembec a few weeks ago that's subject to one final appeal. We also have, on subsidy, the ECC judgment that the Canadian government has actually suspended, and it's a non-appealable judgment on subsidy.
I'll ask the same question to you as I asked to Mr. Emerson. We have these wild and irresponsible phrases and interventions, talking about endless litigation. We know there are two hurdles, both of which are non-appealable after the fact. So specifically, when you talk about endless litigation, what possible appeals are you talking about in those two cases that would allow both the tariffs to be taken off completely and the moneys to be returned? I'm talking about specific appeals, not vague fantasies like those Mr. Emerson and Mr. Harper have referred to, but specific appeals on the Tembec case or on the ECC judgment.