Mr. Moore has said that theft is already a criminal offence. If you look closely at the amendment, the concept and the term “fraud” is included there, and fraud is already a criminal offence. So the fact that theft is already a criminal offence should not by and of itself be a reason why theft should not be a component of this section.
But I had discussed with officials earlier, rather than using the concept of theft, which involves criminal intent, as does fraud, the common law concept in tort of conversion, which doesn't necessarily involve criminal intent. False pretense does not necessarily involve criminal intent. That concept is included here.
If my subamendment doesn't pass, at least the record will have a discussion of the issues. I'm hopeful it will.
Back to you, Mr. Chair.