I can start.
For the first time, we did meet with Sean Fraser. We met and we explained exactly the same things I'm saying today. The same information we've provided to the Conservative party we've provided to Sean Fraser as well.
I really don't know. I say to anybody who's not sure what to do to come on out for a ride-along in the city of Toronto. You'd see some of the violence going on. You'd see the victimization.
This is not about someone who's made a mistake or some minor criminal offences. This is just a small number of really violent thugs and criminals who are causing all the problems in the city.