There's not one answer to it all, but I can tell you that when you're seeing youth.... You're right; they're being recruited by criminal organizations and gangs to be involved in heavy levels of violence, only the youth are out in a very short amount of time. For those serious violent offences, firearm offences, some of the things I mentioned—discharging firearms in the streets of Toronto—they have to be treated as adults. They need to be. The reality of it is that there are many components to it. Stiffer sentences are one of those.
We just had a child of 12 years old murder somebody—