On incentive programs, our preferred approach is performance-based incentive programs. Incentive programs driven into your rate structure, in my opinion, are a way utilities reduce the risk associated with administering these programs. It would reduce the overhead that the utilities spend on delivering these programs. I think it would ultimately get to where the system operators want to get to, which is managing on-peak electricity reductions. We want to focus on when we're using electricity as opposed to how much electricity we're using.