It's my understanding that Mr. MacDonald was there for the first year and Mr. Utano was there much longer. Our audit period covered from January 2019 all the way till January 2023, which is much longer than his tenure at the Canada Border Services Agency, and we did see that some contracts and some invoices were very well documented and very well supported, but overall, there were too many that had just nothing to support who did what work, what did they work on, what contract was it under.... There was no governance structure. Perhaps he had an individual monitoring of costs under his control, but there was overall no governance structure around this project.
I still stand very firmly by our audit findings, which are supported by a lot of evidence that there was a glaring disregard for some of the most basic principles that we would have normally seen when it comes to contracting, procurement and project management.