A point of order.
Apologies were absolutely germane to both reports. In the case of O'Connor the apology to Mr. Arar was absolutely germane, and in the case of Iacobucci the apologies to the other individuals were absolutely germane. If there is somebody put in front of this committee who does not have the clearance or authority to talk on the issue and apologize, then we need somebody in front of this committee who can. I will not accept as an excuse litigation. It was not an acceptable excuse under Arar, and it's not an acceptable excuse now. After what had happened, let's make no mistake. Read Iacobucci's conclusions; it is absolutely germane to his conclusions, as it was to O'Connor with Arar. This committee acted on Arar; we have an obligation to do the same. And if there are individuals who are before the committee who can't answer the questions, that doesn't mean we shouldn't ask them; it means we should have people here who can.