Thank you, Ms. Duncan. Long time no see. Unfortunately for you, I guess I'm going to be a permanent member of this committee, so you're stuck with me.
Kirsty and I go way back, many Parliaments ago, when we sat together on the veterans affairs committee. Those were the good old days, maybe.
Mr. Fortin, thank you for appearing, and Mr. Matta, the same. You've heard much testimony over the last two hours from different people with their different points of view. I don't think they were really attacking NSERC or the granting councils that fall under NSERC, but what is the...?
I'm not going to say that everybody runs in the same circles, but the university and academic bunch does kind of run in the same circles. You would know a lot of them through the years. Where's the disconnect here? It seems to me that you guys meet at conferences. You could talk in a room and get this all figured out in a day. Where's the disconnect such that we have to do a study on this—or is there one?
Mr. Fortin, go ahead, please.