Mr. Chair, I think what is important here is the behaviour of the people.
Right now, we have seen a change in behaviour. Everybody on the granting councils and in universities wants to work together. Everybody understands the threat, and if you develop an ecosystem of compliance, I think the people who do not want to comply will become fairly evident in all of this, and we'll be able to direct our activity more specifically at these people.
I'm agnostic, from a national security point of view, as to whether they are voluntary or not.