Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you for being here, Mesdames. I'm pleased once again to meet those of you whom I knew well in another life.
Good afternoon, Ms. McGowan. You said that institutions were not good for people. Can you elaborate on your remarks? In my opinion, institutions aren't good if people only use them as a last resort. But when people have gotten to the point where they really need institutional help, it is important that they get it. By enabling people to stay at home longer, your organization is becoming much more appealing and important for people who want to stay at home. You have to take into account people's wish to stay in their home environment for their own well-being. I'd like to hear your comments on that.
Ms. Lévesque and Ms. Desjardins, since we've been talking about the fight against poverty, we've seen that, ultimately, nothing has changed. Measures are taken here and there and, when things move to the left, they then take a turn to the right.
Is that because we, as women, have not yet managed to become aware of the situation of poverty in which we find ourselves as a group and to take action so that measures actually correct the situation. We really get the impression that all we're doing is helping people live better in poverty, whereas the purpose of all these struggles was to get people out of poverty and to ensure they didn't return to it.