On paper, the system is there. The forms are there. We have all seen them with the boxes we can tick off to self-identify over the whole spectrum. Once again, it's not just having the system in place. There has to be a commitment to doing that, and to making sure that people have an opportunity to move once they are in the door.
From an anecdotal perspective, I think that if we were talking 10 years ago it would be quite different from now. In the deputy minister and assistant deputy minister ranks there are more female faces, certainly, than you would have seen in the past. So at some level some women are making their way there, but the comments were broader than that. It's not just women. It's all the other minority groups. It's getting people into the public service, letting them get in the front door, and that's not the only step. That's where I'm saying that once there are minority groups kept at a certain level or not given many opportunities they need to progress, the discrimination takes place in an almost systemic way.
Ms. Stanton addressed this. I don't believe LEAF is proposing any specific quota system. Anything like that at all is just revisiting that concept that was introduced many years ago about looking at minorities, looking at the challenges that are faced, because they still do exist.