I would add that the committee operates at a strategic level, while the two departments work closely at a tactical level within the JPSU—the Joint Personnel Support Unit, which has 24 offices or integrated personnel support centres, IPSCs, in Canada. The system works very well. The integration is done so well that, if you were to come into an IPSC, you would have a hard time distinguishing between the employees of Veterans Affairs Canada and those of the Canadian Forces.