House of Commons Hansard #353 of the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Canada Health Act First reading of Bill C-414. The bill amends the Canada Health Act to include community-based mental health, addictions, and substance use services as insured services, requiring provinces and territories to provide coverage. 200 words.

Petitions

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs Members debate the government's refusal to provide unredacted documents on the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund, following Auditor General's findings of conflicts of interest and ineligible projects. Opposition demands documents go to RCMP, citing parliamentary privilege. Government cites Charter rights and police independence concerns, suggesting committee review and accusing opposition of playing political games and filibustering. 55000 words, 7 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives focus on the carbon tax, citing the PBO report to argue it costs Canadians more, linking it to the rising cost of living, and repeatedly calling for a carbon tax election. They also criticize the government over a $400-million green slush fund scandal, alleging obstruction of justice for refusing to provide documents to the RCMP, and raise issues of national security and income inequality.
The Liberals defend the carbon tax and Canada Carbon Rebate using the PBO report, highlighting climate change impacts. They accuse Conservatives of interfering with police and parliamentary proceedings. They also emphasize support for supply management, social programs like dental care and the Canada child benefit, addressing foreign interference, and condemning groups like Samidoun.
The Bloc criticizes the Senate's obstruction of Bill C-282 on supply management and calls on the government to intervene. They also demand the Liberals increase old age security for seniors 65-74 via Bill C-319.
The NDP raise concerns about the high cost of groceries and Canadians relying on credit cards. They criticize the Liberals' failure on health care, government lawyers' offensive language regarding clean water for First Nations, and call for action on the Israel-Gaza situation.
The Green Party raises concerns about the Six Nations' community health centre due to black mould and inadequate support from Indigenous Services Canada.

Finance Members debate the Canadian economy and the impact of government policies, focusing on the Liberal government's capital gains tax increase. Conservative MP Tracy Gray argues it hurts small businesses, investment, productivity, and housing construction, citing constituent concerns. Liberal MP Jenica Atwin challenges the claim it is a job-killing tax, citing a report suggesting it benefits the wealthy. 1500 words, 10 minutes.

Adjournment Debates

Kitchener-Toronto railway service Mike Morrice asks Adam van Koeverden for a timeline from the province on two-way, all-day GO train service between Kitchener and Toronto. Van Koeverden notes the federal government has committed funding and says that GO train service is a provincial matter, mentioning a by-election in Milton.
Carbon tax effects in Alberta Martin Shields cites a PBO report that Albertans will pay more in carbon tax than they receive in rebates. Adam van Koeverden responds that the PBO didn't consider the costs of climate inaction. Shields notes that the carbon tax hurts public services. Van Koeverden blames Alberta's high-carbon electricity grid.
Decriminalization of hard drugs Jamil Jivani criticizes the Liberal government for considering a proposal to decriminalize hard drugs, citing the overdose crisis and Minister Lametti's praise for the idea. Adam van Koeverden responds that the government rejected a similar request from Toronto and accuses Jivani of spreading misinformation.
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Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his great question.

We have to work together to create a more transparent government that speaks with Canadians and, more importantly, that listens to them. Canadians have been very clear. They want a government that truly reflects their voices and their views. That is what they need. My French is not that great and I am sorry for that, but I am trying.

What we need is a government that will turn the lights on, because as we always say, light is the greatest disinfectant of all.

What are the Liberals afraid of? What are they hiding? They need to be transparent.

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11:35 a.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Madam Speaker, the member is clearly passionate about what he was talking about and certainly spent a great deal of time on it in his speech, which, I will honour, was well-written. However, sitting in the House listening to Liberals and Conservatives fight about who is more scandalous is a colossal waste of time and has included the Conservatives filibustering the House and blocking their own motion. They are talking about how hard things are, but they are planning to cut pharmacare and cut dental care and were so callous as to vote against a school food program.

If the member is worried about people struggling across Canada, why is his party filibustering its own motion to get the documents put on the table rather than letting us get back to business to make sure that people across Canada are getting what they need?

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11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Madam Speaker, I thank the New Democrats and the Bloc for voting along with us to bring transparency to this matter.

The one holding up the proceedings of the House is none other than the Prime Minister himself because of his refusal to listen to the edict of Parliament, the vote of Parliament and the decree of the Speaker of the House, who has said to release the documents. If he would co-operate, do what is asked of him and not violate the privileges of parliamentarians, this matter would be resolved quickly. He is not doing that, and as a result, we have an obligation as His Majesty's loyal opposition to hold the government to account and make sure it follows through on what Parliament has passed here in the House. Otherwise, parliamentarians have no authority.

We should have authority and it is being recognized by the Speaker, so I think it is time the Prime Minister listen to the Speaker and release the documents.

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11:35 a.m.

Conservative

John Brassard Conservative Barrie—Innisfil, ON

Madam Speaker, one part of the member's speech that really intrigued me was the notion of returning to some sense of normalcy in this country. That is something I am hearing in my riding of Barrie—Innisfil, where the apparatus of government has been used to divide people along regional lines, race lines, faith lines and gender lines. The health status of our neighbours has been another reason to divide people in this country.

People are sick and tired of the apparatus of government being used to divide this nation. It is time we unify it. The member spoke about that, and I want to give him another opportunity to speak to that issue.

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11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Madam Speaker, I thank my hon. colleague from Barrie—Innisfil, for whom I have a lot of respect.

There is nothing that unites a people like vision. As I referred to in my remarks, right here on our landmark Peace Tower in Centre Block, there is an inscription that says, “Where there is no vision, the people parish.” Nothing will unite this country faster than a vision for what Canada can be, and nothing frustrates people more than living beneath their potential. Right now, the government is holding back the vast potential of this country. We can move beyond our perils and start to attain our potential with a change in leadership, and that is on its way.

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11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

Madam Speaker, I certainly believe in a unified country. My question is about Bill C-49, which was quite unifying in my province and I believe in Nova Scotia as well. There is a need to move with speed toward a green economy, a need for wind and a need for protection by the provinces and the federal government in how we move forward with this exciting, important industry for our children's future and for the betterment of all Canadians.

Could the member please tell me why his party voted against this bill every step of the way?

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11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Madam Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe in all of the above when it comes to utilizing Canada's resources, and we want a comprehensive approach. Rather than throwing up roadblocks to the development of resources, we believe in getting out of the way. That is why we have committed to making sure that Bill C-69 gets repealed and that we see the development of energy resources and a renewed focus on getting Canadian energy to world markets. What has happened is that the Liberals did not do proper consultation and did not talk with all the key stakeholders, and several industries were put at a complete disadvantage and felt isolated from the process.

We wanted to make sure their voices were heard. That is why we stood against the bill.

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11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Madam Speaker, I am very honoured and happy to rise to share some opinions, feedback and thoughts on this very important debate today.

I will start by quoting Tupac, who said, “everyday I read the paper there's another lie”. That is what it feels like after nine years of the corrupt, incompetent Liberal-NDP government. Every day, whether someone is opening the news on their phone or opening a newspaper, there is another scandal. There is something the Liberal-NDP government does every single day to embarrass Canadians and embarrass us on the world stage.

We can only expect from the Prime Minister more corruption, more scandals and more crime. This guy has been caught breaking the law more than once. In fact, he has broken the law more than every single prime minister before him. It has not stopped there. As our leader has said, the rot is from the top down. He was such a great role model in breaking the law and having more scandals than any prime minister before him that his ministers did the exact same thing. They were also caught breaking the law. That is the kind of example the corrupt Prime Minister has set for the Liberal-NDP government, which continues to hide from accountability and tries to take advantage of every single possible position that Canadians get put into because of his incompetence, whether through the pandemic, through trying to reward his friends at WE Charity or through this recent slush fund scandal. The new green economy was just an excuse to create the slush fund for him and his corrupt Liberal insiders.

Along with this scandal there are massive conflicts of interest and massively corrupt misuses of taxpayers' money, at a time when there are two million Canadians lining up at food banks in a single month, with a million more projected for this year, a third of whom are children. For the first time in my entire life in Canada, one in four Canadians is now skipping meals. That is not something I thought Canada would be associated with, but that is the sad reality. As Canadians continue to line up at food banks, the corrupt Liberal-NDP government continues to line the pockets of its insiders. As they get richer, Canadians are getting poorer.

There is no hope under the government, which once promised the Canadian dream for millions of Canadians. Whether they have lived here there entire life or moved here for a better future, it is gone; it has become a nightmare. They cannot afford a home. They cannot afford groceries. They cannot fill up a tank of gas like they used to without getting hit with high taxes. All of this is only done so that the Liberal-NDP government can continue to shovel millions and billions of dollars toward rich Liberal insiders.

What is the government doing right now? It is doing anything and everything it can to avoid accountability. It is literally blocking and hiding documents. These documents are so damning that it is doing everything in its power to not have them released, including seizing Parliament and freezing it the way it is right now. One thing is clear: The Liberal-NDP government never acts in the best interests of Canadians. The Liberals only care about the Liberals.

That the government does not want to turn over these documents is a clear sign that there is corruption on many levels, which the Liberals are trying to hide. There is wrongdoing, something so damning to them that they cannot afford to have it come to light so Canadians can see clearly how corrupt the Liberal-NDP government really is. It covers up and blocks this investigation so it can continue to fill the pockets of Liberal insiders. The $400 million of taxpayers' money is not a small amount, at all, for everyday Canadians, but not for the Liberal-NDP government.

Money was sent to board members of these companies that the Prime Minister created a slush fund for to reward them. The Liberal-NDP government talks a big game about going green and the economy of the future, but it is so clear that these are all just words to cover up the corruption so the Liberals can try to get away with it. However, Canadians are smarter than that. With the record of the Liberal-NDP government, Canadians question anything and everything because they know the government does not have their best interests in mind. All the government does is take advantage when someone is down.

As I said before, during the pandemic, the government did everything it could in order to reward its friends. Now, at a time when Canadians are lining up at food banks, it does not care. It created a slush fund of $400 million for its Liberal insider buddies. Whether this money was stolen or wasted, Canadians cannot afford to feed or house themselves now, yet they see a corrupt government that continues to feed more corruption to its insiders. That is the track record of the government.

Canadians are paying for this corruption and greed. They are the only ones being affected. This does not hurt the trust-fund Prime Minister or his other cronies. It does not affect carbon tax Carney or any of the other corrupt insiders who are rewarded for doing absolutely nothing except being friends of the Prime Minister. Everyday Canadians are those hit with higher costs on gas, groceries and home heating, and for what?

In everything the government has done, it has always tried to put a blanket over Canadians' eyes with some type of buzzword. That is how it sold the carbon tax scam. When it first tried to sell this to Canadians, the government said it would introduce a carbon tax that would increase every year and fix the environment. It said that all the forest fires and floods would go away, and it would make sure there would be sunny ways and sunny days for everybody. That was one really big lie it sold under the guise of the environment or climate change. Those were the buzzwords for the government.

Because Liberals do not respect the intellect of Canadians, they said that Canadians would pay into a tax and the government would give them more than they pay. That was another blatant lie by the government under the buzz phrase “climate change”, which all ties into the green slush fund. Both of those lies were proven wrong by their own Parliamentary Budget Officer. Forest fires and floods have not been fixed as a result of the government starting to raise Canadians' taxes. In fact, the environment department admitted that the carbon tax scam is not measured on how much emissions go up or down. It is all a fairy tale.

The second side to it, which the Parliamentary Budget Officer confirmed once again today, is that the majority of households are worse off in what they pay for this scam than what they get back in these so-called rebates. Canadians know that. They do not need anyone to tell them that. They see it every time they fill up a tank of gas, whether to go to work or to drop their kids off at sports or tutoring. When they go to the grocery store, they see prices have gone up. Because it is getting cold now, they turn up the heat in their houses and they see it when they get their bills. They know it has been a scam all along.

I will never forget, when I was first running for election, going to the door of a single mom in one of the communities in my constituency. When I introduced myself, she told me to hang on. She closed the door, took about a minute and came back with tears in her eyes, holding a bill. It was her natural gas bill. I will never forget this. She had a sign on her lawn because her house was for sale. She had to sell her house because she had just been laid off from her oil and gas job, and she was already saying that it was because of the policies of the Liberal government. We already heard about Bill C-69 and the damaging impacts it had on Canadians, our industry and our economy.

This constituent was one of the people affected by the bill. She has two kids. First, she said that she had to sell her house because she could not afford to pay her mortgage anymore. She needed to feed her kids. With tears in her eyes, she then showed me her natural gas bill. She pointed to the line that shows the carbon tax and said that she and her parents had been heating their houses the same way her whole life. She asked, “Why am I being punished with this carbon tax now? What did I do wrong?” She had not changed anything. She had lost her job and wanted to know why she was being punished because it was cold outside. What did she do wrong?

That is the pain the Liberal-NDP government refuses to understand. Its members refuse to acknowledge the pain it causes to these families, all under the guise of climate change. They use these buzzwords and think they can get away with all the corruption. It is the same single mom who will now have higher taxes because the Liberal-NDP government, under the guise of climate change, wants to reward its friends so it can collect more from Canadians, the same ones who are lining up at the food banks.

Liberals do not care that they get hit with all these scandals. It is their track record. That is who they are. They do not care about Canadians. Biggie Smalls once sang Mo Money Mo Problems. With the government members, it seems to be “mo scandals, mo taxes”. Canadians get hit with more taxes because of their scandals. The government members are less concerned about accountability and governing this country; they would rather keep protecting themselves from accountability by covering up as much as they can.

In committee after committee, the common-sense Conservatives bring these scandals to light, but the Liberals are okay and laugh it off because they know they have a partner in corruption in the NDP. Many times, Conservatives bring forward motions and studies so Canadians can see accountability for their money, but the Liberals just laugh it off every single time. Their accomplices and partners in the NDP are covering up these scandals, and the Liberals know they do not need to worry. At the end of the day, Canadians have to pay for all of that. Liberals are totally okay with that because they can all just hide under this cloud of climate change somehow.

During the pandemic, we saw the WE Charity scandal, where $900 million went to Liberal insiders who paid off the Prime Minister's family. There was no accountability until common-sense Conservatives brought this scandal forward.

The Prime Minister would rather prorogue Parliament, as we have seen, than face accountability. That is exactly who he is. He is someone who has probably never filled a gas tank in his life or gone grocery shopping before. That is exactly why he does not care.

The arrive scam scandal sent $60 million to Liberal crony insiders for an app that did not work and that nobody wanted. Once again, under the guise of the pandemic, the corrupt Liberal-NDP government tried to reward its insiders. There were people who literally did no work and got paid off. As Liberal insiders line their pockets and Canadians line up at food banks, the NDP has helped get the corrupt Liberal government through all these scandals one by one.

The SNC-Lavalin case not only unravelled a lot of the corruption and scandals of the government but also proved how much of a fake feminist the Prime Minister truly is. When his brave indigenous justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould, stood up to his corruption, what did he do? He did not admit it. He did not take any accountability or responsibility. He fired her. As a fake feminist would, he threw her under the bus.

Not only is the Prime Minister corrupt and scandal ridden, but he also proved how much of a fake feminist he is through that scandal. That is a pattern of the Prime Minister, of being a fake feminist and throwing women under the bus when they stand up to his corruption. He is full of scandals and corruption.

This $400-million scandal is on Canadians once again. The Prime Minister gets to be corrupt. He gets to do whatever he wants to reward his Liberal insiders because it is all on Canadians' dime. He has the Canadian credit card in his hand, and he is spending as though there is no limit. All we have seen from the Liberal-NDP government is more scandals, more corruption and more cover-ups.

The economy is in the toilet right now. We know the carbon tax scam puts a big hole in our GDP, but because of the failed policies, GDP per person in this country keeps on declining. It is at a lower level today than it was in 2014. Can people believe that Canada's output per person is lower—

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11:55 a.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

We have a point of order from the hon. member for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill.

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11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have never raised this issue, but I understand there can be a matter of privilege raised on misleading statements. I have been sitting here listening to the member opposite for the last however long it has been and heard many misleading statements that I think are detrimental, not only to our Prime Minister but also to me. I am part of the environment committee that put these policies in place.

When can a matter of privilege for misleading statements be used when we sit and hear them over and over again?

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11:55 a.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I would suggest the hon. member go to her House leader and have that discussion. Of course, questions of privilege would need an hour's notice to be able to come to the floor. If the hon. member finds there is a question of privilege and her privileges have been moved upon, then she can, of course, bring that to her House Leader and notice can be given to the Speaker.

The hon. member for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill.

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Noon

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Speaker, I was actually doing research on it and found that some can be made directly, without an hour's notice, and one of them was on misleading statements.

I am just wondering what are the circumstances under which that can be done and how many misleading statements have to be made before one can actually raise that point.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

As I said, when it comes to such information, this is a point of debate. We expect individual members to be honourable when they bring information forward.

Again, if the member wants to bring it forward and talk to the table for a few moments, maybe we can come up with something. For the time being, I believe this is debate. The debate we have been having for the last seven days has all been very similar. No one has called anything else out. I would ask the hon. member to maybe bring it to the table and have that discussion.

The hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn.

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Noon

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Mr. Speaker, a Liberal finally admitted, and took some accountability. She just said it is their policies. They helped form those policies. It is those same policies that sent two million Canadians to a food bank and that allowed all the corruption, something we are talking about.

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Noon

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am rising on a question of privilege. The member opposite is now saying that I forced two million Canadians to go to a food bank as part of the government's bringing forward policies. That is completely misleading, and I take it as a question of privilege.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

We are getting to points of order; that is really what we are doing.

The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay is rising on a point of order.

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Noon

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Mr. Speaker, it was hardly an impressive speech from my hon. colleague from the Conservatives, but I am sorry that the member for the Liberals is getting in such a flap. That is not a question of privilege; it is a point of debate. Let us stay focused on the issue at hand.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

The hon. member for Fort McMurray—Cold Lake has the floor.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Yes, it is a point of order, not a question of privilege. If the member really wants, I would suggest she read Bosc and Gagnon, which sets these out quite clearly.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

Again, I think we are descending into a lot of debate here.

The floor is, of course, with the hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn.

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Noon

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Liberal member for putting forward another example of another unhinged Liberal. That is how they all become once their corruption and scandals come to light.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I guess we are into point of orders today. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay is rising on a point of order.

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Noon

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Mr. Speaker, the member cannot make an accusation that someone is unhinged because she raises a point. That is just cheap. If he cannot do a debate without being cheap, I think you have to call that out.

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Noon

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I believe we are falling into debate even more deeply. We cannot be debating the debate.

The hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn has the floor.

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Noon

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Mr. Speaker, not only do we have unhinged Liberals in here, but we also have another example of what I have been talking about in my speech: that it is always the NDP that covers up all the corruption and scandals. It is on full display in the House again. This is exactly why Canadians have lost trust in the Liberal-NDP government. They have lost faith in them.

That is why they want a carbon tax election now. They are fed up with the scandals. They are fed up with the cover-up, like the slush fund of $400 million that rewarded Liberal insiders. It is time to call a carbon tax election. Canadians want back the Canada that no longer exists under the Liberal-NDP government. All we hear across this country is that Canada is not the same Canada anymore.

That is why we and Canadians are calling for a carbon tax election, so our common-sense Conservative leader can axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget, and stop the crime, including the corruption and scandals, and bring back the Canada we all once knew and still love. Now it is up to them to call it. Let us do it now.